"Do unto them before they do unto you." Also known as assertive self-defense.
Contrary to the mushy thinking of certain muttonheads, failing to defend others from unjust aggression, especially the weak and the defenseless; and preventing others from defending themselves and others, is cowardice and faithlessness, not Christianity. Traditional Christian pacifism is an individual excercise, and is not enjoined upon or foisted on the whole community.
Technically, aren't you an Apostate?
John wrote:"Do unto them before they do unto you."Damn right, which they have done, are doing and will do, unless we stop them. No matter what many of us desperately believe, Islam will not stay their hand, but will lead them to our destruction, in the name of Allah.
John,Re; Christian pacifism, I truly believe it stays Bush's hand from defending us the way he ought to. He's not technically turning the cheek and loving the enemy, but he sure as hell isn't giving it to them the way they deserve In Our Defense. And your distinction that Traditional Christian pacifism is an individual excercise is applicable to Bush, an individual, despite that he has no Right to indulge in it as Commander in Cheif.
Red River,Yes, that's technically right.
So great! Another right/click/save image. Probably a desktop wallpaper to boot, my friend.
Thanks, Mike, and I actually placed it as my desktop background earlier myself.
Agree, now on back ground desktop slide show. You're in between Le Brun and Brueghel...
Nice, thanks Epaminondas.
I did want to be clear that pacifism is not a universal Christian teaching, though it may be an individual Christian choice, akin to monasticism, asceticism, or refraining from alcohol.Christianity teaches that legitimate human authority wields the sword to establish justice and civil peace, in an imperfect (though passing) fallen but redeemed World.
Many Christians interpret some of Jesus' sayings (like "turn the other cheek") as hyperbolic statements of the truths he taught--"If your left eye offend you, pluck it out and cast it off; better to enter the Kingdom of Heaven with one eye than be cast into hell with both eyes"--just how many one-eyed Christians have you met, Bosch?I'm often reminded of Jesus' sayings in the Gospels--I like laying down this one: "There are none so blind as those who have eyes, and yet will not see."
John,What would Jesus do against Mohammed?
Expose his hypocrisy and avarice, and leave him in shame--Jesus would put the literal fear of God into Mo's following, and they would peel away like the stoning party gathered to kill the Adulteress. Mo only has such power as deceitful spirits gain for him; Jesus asserted that his enemies had no power over him unless it were given them--permitted--from Above. Jesus once slipped away from a crowd that wished to stone him, but "The Way, the Truth, and the Life" didn't choose to yield his life. Jesus is no wimp--he conquers through paradoxical and anti-intuitive means. Note that he CHOOSES how to dispose of his own life according to his purpose; he DOESN'T surrender the lives of others to death and slavery. So much for my apologia for Christianity.
Let me add that Jesus would quickly unmask the malice of the man, Mohammed, and reveal "Jibrail" as a fallen, deceiving spirit, thus vanquishing any claims of authenticity for Islam and its prophet.Some Christians today do this, in the name and power of Jesus as Lord--think of that satellite broadcasting apostolate of the Coptic priest we've heard of.
One fact Muhammad and his followers can't overcome: You can kill the bearer(s) of truth, but you can't kill the Truth"You shall know the truth; and the truth shall set you free."So much for submission.
johncbarile,Quoting Jesus you said, "You shall know the truth; and the truth shall set you free."Lets hope enough people learn the truth and are willing to act on it. Lets hope that in the end, enough people are brave enough to do whats necessary to win this war.
John,And now, What would Mohammed do against Jesus?My point is that we are being attacked by a religion of war, and our Christian response has been ineffective to say the least. Yes, PC has hurt us as well, but the buck stops with the born again Bush. No matter his rhetoric, the enemy is alive and well and still gunning for us. Mohammed was a murderer, Jesus wasn't, those facts say it all to me. Jesus would rather die than kill, while Mohammed murdered at the drop of a turban. The high road is killing us and will lead us to a dead end if we don't go symmetrical on the enemy.
I am a follower of Christ, and I can state for a fact that I know that when the cause is just (ie; "defend others from unjust aggression, especially the weak and the defenseless [brilliant John]"), his blessings go with those who work his miracles. As an individual member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, I remember a scripture from THE BOOK OF MORMON: ANOTHER TESTAMENT OF JESUS CHRIST when our country is besieged by an evil that seeks to take our God-given liberties. Alma 43: 47"And again, the Lord has said that: Ye shall defend your families even unto bloodshed. Therefore for this cause were the Nephites contending with the Lamanites, to defend themselves, and their families, and their lands, their country, and their rights, and their religion."
Godfrey,Tell it to Bush, my friend, I think all he picked up from Christianity was the sound bites of 'Turn the other cheek' and 'Love thy enemy', and by that standard, he's doing a hell of a job. He's fought just enough for us not to accuse him of doing nothing. So long as he's the man in the White House, his sworn oath to defend this country from all enemies should override any religious concerns he may have, for his own religion and most especially for the religion of the enemy. His main ethic should have been to find out who this enemy is and act on that truth with full power in order to end their threat as quickly as possible. Instead, he's stayed clear of the truth and has played a tit for tat with an enemy who would nuke us if they could. He's been 'protected' from the truth about Islam these past seven years and he will be protected from the consequences of his ignorance and inaction for the rest of his life by 24/7 guard. He’s going to get away with not doing what he should have done. Not so, us. It was a self-fulfilling prophecy when he said that this is going to be a long war. It never needed to be.
Here's Sharia's version of an eye for an eye.Al-Qisas [ha]: the sharia provision stipulating that the punishment be commensurate with the crime.The above provision Al-Qisas was taken to the point of a Literal eye for an eye case where an Egyptian man who had acid thrown on him by another Egyptian lost his eye and suffered from disfigurement and wanted in recompense, urged the court for an eye for an eye and the convicted ‘man at least had the consolation of having his eye removed at a hospital and under anesthesia.’ -Serge Trifkovic
The narrative I would prescribe for our country is expressed in our National Anthem: And where is that band who so vauntingly swore/ That the havoc of war and the battle's confusion,/ A home and a country should leave us no more?/ Their blood has washed out their foul footsteps' pollution./ No refuge could save the hireling and slave/ From the terror of flight, or the gloom of the grave: ... O! thus be it ever, when free men shall stand/ Between their loved home and the war's desolation! ... Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just ...
Thanks for the compliment, Godfrey.
As an individual I can turn the other cheek when wronged by someone. However a country, people, nation cannot turn the other cheek and be ravaged by an enemy bent on destroying them. George Bush probably has a good heart. It's the head that is getting him (and us) into trouble.As the other George (Patton) said: "Better to fight for something than live for nothing."And so as not to detract from the other love of this blog... GREAT graphic, great message, as always!
It goes without saying, that bin-Ladin and Zawahiri shouldn't enjoy sanctuary or safe haven ANYWHERE on this PLANET. I'll hold John McCain to his promise--W. has pigeonholed his--to pursue these animals to the ends of the Earth and bring them in to face justice!
Fellow Infidel,Thanks for the good words as always. I believe that Bush is definitely a decent guy, but what we need is a Great man, a Churchill, someone who would study the enemy as if our lives depended on it, for they do, and then hit him where it hurts and put him down once and for all. We're all going to pay for Bush's dereliction in this, most tragically the next generation.
Though I will say that this is the Bush I like, from yesterday. He's best when he's off script and here he even allows the now banned word 'Jihadist' to slip from his lip.
Bosch:Come on, using G.W. Bush as the standard bearer of Christianity is like using the Dodge Aspen with a slant six as the standard bearer of muscle cars.George Bush says what he says not because of JC, but because he is owned by the Saudis. He is their beeyotch.As I've said before, keep an eye on this Pope, Benedictus XVI. He ain't turning no cheek!
Robert,No doubt Bush's Saudi connection keeps his mind closed and his mouth shut about the true nature of Islam. And I don't think Bush is the standard bearer for his faith, but I do think that he has embraced the most popular and self-destructive aspects of it. I doubt he's even read his own bible, and it's the lack of understanding he brings to his own faith which makes him assume that Islam is just like the Christianity of his mind. And it's that habit of pretending to know things he doesn't which has endangered us.
Here's a disturbing article, on why we are not standing up to threat. Its from Front Page and was written by Bruce Bawer.An Anatomy of Surrender It basically shows how fear, political correctness, multiculturalism, and wishful thinking are preventing us from defending our freedom. The article asks a very important question near they end. Here's the quote from the article. "The key question for Westerners is: Do we love our freedoms as much as they hate them? Many free people, alas, have become so accustomed to freedom, and to the comfortable position of not having to stand up for it, that they’re incapable of defending it when it’s imperiled—or even, in many cases, of recognizing that it is imperiled."This is why I appreciate what you are doing Bosch. You are one of the few people who have not given into fear and PC.We have a very good reason to wage asymmetrical warfare. As you would say, "Let's break the Golden Rules of engagement!"Maybe with the authors permission we could get his article reposted on the Infidel Blogger's Alliance.
Condi Rice epitomizes superficiality as knowledge: Islam, according to her, is "a religion of peace and love." [??!] The Palestinian "struggle" is like the American Civil Rights Movement. [??!!
johncbarile,What parallel universe does she live in now?
Holy shit, Bush actually looked presidential in that FoxNews clip. I admit that I am a registered Democrat (Independent at heart), but I had a deep respect and admiration for Bush shortly after 9/11, even though I didn't vote for him. I have since lost respect for the man entirely. For half a second, seeing Bush react as he did, I felt proud of the guy. Where's this side of his personality been for the last six years?
Bosch,I just watched that video of Bush you linked to. His speech was pretty good. I especially the fact that he violated state department policy and called them Jihadists.Bush may not be the perfect president, but at least he's better than Jimmy Carter. After seeing this link, you will glad he only spent one term in office. The Warped Mind of Jimmy Carter
Damien,I printed and placed Bawer's article next to my 'stack of stuff' and will get to it when I can, looking forward to his insights. On the Dhimmi Qarter link, I sincerely could not get past his disgusting smile after he saw Bush's unwarranted generous pass at criticizing him. Instead of appreciating Bush's misplaced class, he criticizes Bush. This thing will leave this world without an ounce of respect from any decent human being. He's a disgrace and he will only stop spitting on this country when he drops dead.
John, Damien,Someone has to remind Rice that she's supposed to be representing American interests.
Bosch,You said,"Someone has to remind Rice that she's supposed to be representing American interests."I Couldn't possibly agree more!
Damien,By the way, thank you for your kind words a few posts above. Looks like a solid article, getting to it tomorrow.
Damien,That is such a weighty question you put to me, I pondered it for two days, unsuccessfully.When Science has completed mapping and mathematically describing this Universe, we might then venture to guess the nature of Bush and Condi's universe. It is beyond present human comprehension.
Rice believes with all her heart and none of her mind that if she treats the scum of the earth with respect and kindness, then she will pacify them and they'll learn to not only stop wishing for the genocide of the Jews, but even come to love Jews one day. All because of her. For you see, she's too good to think that they're really that bad, she's just too good for that, she's above that. Just like Bush believes he's far too civilized to unleash our soldiers to defend us to the hilt and end this Jihad once and for all. I wish I could say I was being entirely sarcastic here.
Brilliant, Bosch--mystery solved.That universe is called "cognitive dissonance," a reality-obscuring realm of perceiving and knowing that which we wish to see and know. Contrary evidences are ignored or overlooked, as if they don't exist.
Also called denial, not to be confused with the river in Egypt.
Ha, it's almost as if Washington P.C. is under the 'protection' of the 'fact proof screen' that Eric Hoffer referred to regarding True Believers. Foggy Bottom's Up for the enemy. And is there Anyone on the other side who accomodates our interests the way nearly All of our leaders are accomodating theirs?
Did anyone here see the latest Jihad Watch? Its kind of related to what we have been talking about. Watch your language
Just got back from seeing Iron Man and it was as good as I hoped it'd be. I've always loved the self-made aspect of the character. I heard rumblings from Conservatives, mainly from the Libertas website, that the film goes from right to left, and it doesn't. We see Tony Stark, a genius who is his own man and who wants the awesome power that he creates to remain under his control, to be used as his conscience dictates. This film's going to be Big. There's an action scene against jihadists in the middle of the film that I cannot wait to see again this weekend.
Damien, Thanks for the link to Spencer, great as usual. I got around to reading Bruce Bawer's article 'An Anatomy of Surrender'. Damning. I make it a point to know what's going on and I'm still taken aback by what we're willing to take from Muslims. THE pull quote is from James Forsyth from the Spectator, regarding how weak Britain has become in the face of Muslim thuggery, writing that it:"...revealed a mindset that views the exposure of a problem as more of a problem than the problem itself."Covers it as good as words can.
Here's a story that deals with the R.O.E. our soldiers are suffering under. I've read the book that's mentioned, 'Lone Survivor', and it's as clear an indictment against our government's sacrificing of our soldiers as I've read. Our government is holding the lives of our soldiers below the desires of our enemies. Thats Not an overstatement, the linked story exposes it. I've got a lump in my throat.
Bosch,I am amazed that Iron Man actually takes on Jihadists! "Hollyweird" as Mitchell Malkin calls it, is so politically correct, their caving as fast as Europe. They have made almost no movies since 9-11 with Islamic terrorists as the bad guys. Or on the rare instances when the movie had Jihadists in it, they usually try establish some kind of moral equivalence. I hope this is the beginning of a trend.I will read the story you linked to the horrible rules of engagement later. It looks interesting, but I have a lot of work to do.Thanks Bosch, Iron Man Taking on Jihadists makes my day, even if I didn't see the movie.
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